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Preview of the U.S. bishops' fall meeting

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 All Things Catholic by John L. Allen, Jr.
  Friday, November 9, 2007 - Vol. 7, No. 10  

[Editor's note: John Allen will be filing daily reports during the Nov. 12-15 fall meeting of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops in Baltimore, Maryland. The reports will be available beginning Monday here: http://ncrcafe.org/blog/2682.]

Inevitably, the election of Cardinal Francis George as President of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops next week will invite comparison to the era of the late Cardinal Joseph Bernardin, the man George followed in Chicago, and a driving force in the American bishops' conference for the better part of three decades.

The parallel is evocative not merely because both men are from the Windy City, but because both have been leading American exponents of the dominant current in the Catholicism of their day. Bernardin embodied the era of the Second Vatican Council (1962-65), pushing the church to embrace what he saw as the best of secular modernity. George, on the other hand, reflects the more evangelical outlook associated with John Paul II and Benedict XVI, focused on reclaiming a strong sense of Catholic identity and concerned that the church not end up, in the famous phrase of Jacques Maritain, "kneeling before the world."

It would be misleading and unfair to style this as a contrast between a "liberal" Bernardin and a "conservative" George. Bernardin was deeply rooted in tradition, and George is nobody's idea of a reactionary. In a recent interview with NCR, he stressed that there can be no return to the past; the search for new models of Catholic identity, he said, has to be "developed naturally in relationship to today's crisis."

Yet there is a difference. Many historians say the two great impulses that produced Vatican II were aggiornamento, meaning bringing things up to date, and ressourcement, or a return to the wellsprings of tradition, and theologians will tell you that ultimately the two belong together. Nonetheless, in different periods one may wax and the other wane; synthetically, one could say that Bernardin leaned to the aggiornamento end of the equation, while George inclines a bit more to ressourcement.

Beyond this personal contrast, though certainly related to it, there's also a difference between the conference itself in the Bernardin era and the body that George will inherit. Over the last decade, the conference has experienced three important realignments in its theology, operations, and structures.

Theological: Pope John Paul II, in his 1998 document Apostolos Suos, ruled that bishops' conferences cannot issue authoritative teaching unless they're unanimous or they have the prior approval of the Holy See. The idea was to emphasize that a bishops' conference is not a new layer of authority between the pope and the individual bishops, thereby encouraging bishops to exercise their own judgment rather than submitting to a kind of group-think. One example of that policy was the diversity of responses from American bishops witnessed in 2004, which will likely recur in 2008, over the issue of communion for pro-choice Catholic politicians. While most bishops still feel a strong psychological tug in favor of presenting a unified front, it's become more difficult to use the conference as a means for achieving (and, perhaps the critical point, enforcing) that unity.

Operations: Those frustrated with the conference in the '80s and '90s sometimes complained that the bishops didn't seem to be in charge, but instead were taking their cues from staff and advisors. One oft-cited case in point, for those who hold this view, was a 1998 document addressed to the parents of homosexuals titled "Always our Children," issued by a subcommittee of the conference with the approval of the Administrative Committee, but widely perceived as a collective statement of "the bishops." Part of the logic for the recent restructuring of the conference, with parallels to similar shakeups in other bodies of bishops such as the International Commission on English in the Liturgy, has been to ensure that decisions and documents are truly the work of the bishops, rather than reflecting somebody else's agenda.

Structures: The elimination of some 60 jobs at the conference along with parallel cuts in the number of committees, approved by the bishops last year and taking full effect in 2008, reflect a financial squeeze on the American church created by payouts related to the sexual abuse crisis, the transition to salaried lay ministers in the place of priests and nuns, rising costs of pensions and health care, and a host of other factors. When the dust settles, the conference will have a depleted staff in such critical areas as bioethics, ecumenical and inter-religious dialogue, and outreach to various cultural and ethnic groups.

The net result is a conference forced to rein in its ambitions and to sharpen its focus. Optimists argue that the changes will produce a "leaner, meaner" conference, one in which the bishops feel a greater sense of ownership, and in which work is developed collaboratively rather than in self-contained bureaucratic compartments. Skeptics, on the other hand, fear the actual result will be an "incredible shrinking conference," receding as a major force in broader cultural and political affairs, devoting its limited resources largely to insider church baseball.

Bernardin succeeded in moving the levers of power within the bishops' conference to make it an effective instrument of American aggiornamento. The question now is whether another cardinal from Chicago will be able to similarly animate the conference as a vehicle for ressourcement -- using more limited means, and, to some degree perhaps, moving towards different ends.

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One key item on the bishops' agenda in Baltimore is a new version of the document "Faithful Citizenship," intended to represent their collective contribution to American political debate heading into the 2008 elections. The conference has produced such a document for the last 30 years, but this time it's being submitted to the full body of bishops for debate and a vote.

Anyone familiar with the recent track record of Catholic political engagement in the United States knows that it sometimes suffers from a curious sort of bipolar disorder. "Peace and justice" Catholics tend to emphasize issues such as poverty, health care, the environment, and war, often invoking Bernardin's image of a "seamless garment" of social concerns. "Pro-life" Catholics, on the other hand, generally concentrate on what one rival Catholic voter's guide refers to as the five "non-negotiables": abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, cloning and gay marriage.

In that clash, "Faithful Citizenship" has often been read as shading towards the seamless garment perspective, making it something of a bête noire for Catholics who emphasize the pro-life issues; one widely read Catholic blog, for example, has referred acidly to "the USCCB's seemingly long term partnership with the party of death."

Responding to such perceptions, the new draft of "Faithful Citizenship" attempts to hold together two propositions:

  • Catholic teaching requires concern wherever human dignity is at stake, from protecting unborn life to feeding the hungry and welcoming immigrants;
  • Within that range of issues, pride of place must go to the right to life.

The draft warns of two "temptations" to be avoided.

"The first is a moral equivalence that makes no ethical distinctions between different kinds of issues involving human life and dignity," it says. "The direct and intentional destruction of innocent human life is always wrong and is not just one issue among many." The second temptation, the draft says, "is the misuse of these necessary moral distinctions as a way of dismissing or ignoring other serious threats to human life and dignity," citing racism, the death penalty, unjust war, torture and war crimes, hunger and health care, and unjust immigration policies.

Based on these considerations, the draft offers what to some observers may seem a candidate for understatement of the year: "Catholics may feel politically disenfranchised, sensing that no party and too few candidates fully share the church's comprehensive commitment to the dignity of the human person."

None of this is really new, although the current draft of "Faithful Citizenship" accents the primacy of the life issues more clearly than previous editions. What is perhaps most noteworthy about the draft is less its substance than the process behind it; for the first time, it has been generated not just by the Committees on Domestic and International Policy, long seen as the bailiwicks of the peace-and-justice folk, but also by the Committees on Doctrine and Pro-Life Activities. Both were extensively involved in drafting and editing the text. That's intended to send a clear message that this is not just the document of one wing of the church, but of the bishops as a whole.

To borrow an ecumenical metaphor from Pope John Paul II (who himself borrowed it, by the way, from Russian poet and Catholic convert Vyacheslav Ivanov), the attempt seems to be to encourage the church in 2008 to "breathe with both lungs" in the political arena.

The decision to bring the document to the floor for a vote is a calculated roll of the dice. There may be proposals for amendments to strengthen the language on abortion and other life issues, or to emphasize that matters such as economic justice or immigration leave greater scope for prudential judgment. The document requires a two-thirds vote to pass, and there may be some anxious moments when it comes time to count noses.

Nonetheless, the draft of "Faithful Citizenship" at least represents an intriguing effort to put two oft-estranged Catholic constituencies back on speaking terms.

One final point worth making is that the draft spells out the reasons why the church does not endorse specific candidates, stating that the role of the bishops is to form consciences, but it remains the task of "each individual Catholic" to make voting decisions.

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Other noteworthy items on the agenda include:

Money: The conference will consider a requirement for bishops to obtain approval from their diocesan finance council and college of consultors for five specific financial decisions: 1) Going into debt beyond $1 million for a diocese with more than a half-million Catholics, and $500,000 for dioceses with smaller populations; 2) legal settlements exceeding those same amounts; 3) running a business not directly related to the spiritual or charitable purposes of the church; 4) any contract or agreement that involves a potential conflict of interest for the bishop or other senior diocesan officials; 5) going into bankruptcy. On a related front, Bishop Daniel Walsh of Santa Rosa, Calif., will make a presentation on the importance of parish audits. (Walsh is an appropriate choice, having taken over in Santa Rosa in 2000 after the former bishop, Patrick Ziemann, left a $17 million debt amid a track record of suspect money management). The discussion reflects a series of recent financial headaches for the church -- including, for example, an estimated $36 million spent by the Detroit archdiocese on the under-utilized John Paul II Cultural Center in Washington, and a 2007 survey by Villanova University that found 85 percent of American dioceses reporting some embezzlement of church funds within the last five years.

Sex Abuse: Researchers from John Jay College of Criminal Justice and Fordham University (both in New York) will present preliminary results of their study of the causes and context of the sexual abuse crisis. Among other things, the findings are expected to offer a contrast between the periods 1960-1990 and 1990-2002, suggesting that the number of incidents declined and the aggressiveness of the church's response improved in the latter period. The bishops have already spent $1 million on the study and expect to eventually allocate $2 million, with the project slated for completion in 2009. The results will be keenly anticipated, since the underlying causes of the sex abuse crisis remain a matter of keen Catholic debate.

Marriage: The bishops will review a new series of public service announcements and a Web site (www.foryourmarriage.org) intended to promote traditional marriage and the family structure. The efforts are part of a "National Pastoral Initiative for Marriage" approved in 2004. (The PSAs feature a series of couples answering the question, "What have you done for your marriage today?", such as a woman who says she got her husband mustard and mayonnaise for his sandwich.)

Youth: The bishops will review a new brochure on stewardship aimed at youth, encouraging young people to make good use of their gifts. The campaign includes an appeal for vocations to the priesthood and religious life. The conference will also consider two new catechetical documents for young people, one laying out a broad curriculum for faith formation and the other targeted specifically at formation in "chaste living."

Music: The longest document on the agenda is a 22,000-word text on liturgical music titled "Sing to the Lord," which, if passed, will have the force of church law in the United States. It would replace two earlier documents on music, "Music in Catholic Worship" and "Liturgical Music Today." One aim seems to be to promote more traditional and reverential music in the Mass, such as Latin hymns and Gregorian chant. The bishops' office for liturgy solicited input from 50 different organizations in developing the document. On other liturgical matters, the bishops will consider a text for "Weekday Celebrations of the Liturgy of the Word," for situations where no priest is available to say Mass, and revisions to Scripture readings for Sundays in Lent. It does not appear that the bishops will receive any update on the five dubia (meaning "questions") they submitted to the Vatican about Pope Benedict XVI's recent document liberalizing permission for the Latin Mass in use prior to the Second Vatican Council (1962-65). Among other things, the Vatican was asked to clarify whether the old rite can be used during Holy Week, including controversial Good Friday prayers for the conversion of the Jews. The current thinking in Rome is that the Vatican's Ecclesia Dei Commission, charged with responsibility for the old Mass, may prepare a document based on the dubia received from various parts of the world, but there's no clear sense yet of when that document might appear.

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Finally, the bishops will also elect new officers. With the choice of George as president a foregone conclusion, the drama will focus on the race for vice-president, since that person will be in line to succeed George in three years as president.

The candidates are:

  • Bishop Gregory M. Aymond of Austin, Texas
  • Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan of Milwaukee
  • Bishop Gerald F. Kicanas of Tucson, Arizona
  • Archbishop Joseph E. Kurtz of Louisville, Kentucky
  • Bishop William E. Lori of Bridgeport, Connecticut
  • Cardinal Justin Rigali of Philadelphia
  • Bishop Dennis M. Schnurr of Duluth, Minnesota
  • Bishop Donald W. Trautman of Erie, Pennsylvania
  • Bishop Allen H. Vigneron of Oakland, California

As always, the results will be scrutinized for indications of which way the winds are blowing. Though this sort of political calculus is terribly crude, the election of someone like Trautman would be seen by some as a victory for the "center-left" faction, while Vigneron or Rigali would appeal more to the "center-right."

Ideology, of course, is only one of many factors as bishops weigh their options. Another is who's best equipped to act as a public voice for the church in the United States, and in that regard, some observers feel Dolan may have an edge. The former rector of the North American College in Rome, Dolan is without peer among his brother bishops in terms of his capacity to work a room. To some extent, the gift of gab is in his gene pool; his brother Bob Dolan is a popular radio and TV personality in Milwaukee. Dolan's charisma is one reason many church insiders regard him a strong candidate to become the next Archbishop of New York, perhaps the ultimate "big stage" in American Catholicism.

Kicanas, however, is no slouch himself in the wit department. On Monday of this week I was in Tucson, giving two presentations to the priests of the diocese along with a public lecture in the evening, all held in the gorgeous Redemptorist Renewal Center at Picture Rocks. Despite a busy schedule and a nagging cold, Kicanas spent most of the day with us. At one point, he told the priests that he had recently been in Jerusalem as part of a pilgrimage group, where he made a stop at the famed Western Wall. While there, Kicanas said, a man approached him and asked if he could pray over him.

"Of course," Kicanis responded.

"Brother, what is the name of your wife?" the man asked.

Clearly dressed in clerical garb, the startled bishop responded, "Oh, I'm not married."

Draping Kicanis in his prayer shawl, the man then boomed out, "Dear Lord, please grant this man a wife!"

With a gleam in his eye, Kicanas wrapped up the anecdote by telling his priests: "I guess we'll see."

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Normally speaking, the election of committee chairs does not arouse the same level of interest, but this time one race in particular will be closely watched. The two candidates to lead the Committee on Canonical Affairs and Church Governance are Archbishop Raymond Burke of St. Louis and Auxiliary Bishop Thomas Paprocki of Chicago.

Burke has been perhaps the strongest voice among the American bishops calling for a tough stance on giving communion to pro-choice Catholic politicians. In a recent essay in the canon law journal De Re Canonica, Burke argued that the church has emphasized canon 916, which deals with the duty of the individual communicant to make a decision about their worthiness, at the expense of canon 915, which states that those who "obstinately persist in manifest grave sin" are not to be admitted.

Burke served from 1989 to 1994 as the Defender of the Bond in the Apostolic Signatura, the church's equivalent of the Supreme Court. In 2006, Benedict XVI made Burke a member of the Signatura. In that light, many bishops could vote for Burke on the basis of his expertise as a canonist, even if they don't share his stand on the communion issue in all its particulars. Nevertheless, the election of Burke might be interpreted publicly as an endorsement of that position.

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Got to this one rather too

Got to this one rather too late. Anyway, keep up the good work, y'all.

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I think that now Cathoics in

I think that now Cathoics in this country are no longer in thrall of one party -- the Democratic Party -- as they used to be for many generations. Our bishops are trying hard to be as neutral as they can. Times have changed. Many of the problems are different. American Catholics are now about evenly divided on party affiliation, something they were not during their immigrant experience.

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Does that mean we abandon

Does that mean we abandon out commitment to the anawim, since we no longer count ourselves among them?

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I think you need to catch up

I think you need to catch up a bit if you think catholics are enthralled with the Republican party these days. Some of the bishops appear to be trying to prop up a party that feasts on its ideology without any competency. Probably not the best combination for government of any kind.

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Replying to "SJ": Even if

Replying to "SJ":
Even if churchgoers do not know the details of these meetings and their documents, once in a while a decision impacts them. I hope it does not happen with church music as it did with religious education. In that instance, Archbishop Alfred Hughes of New Orleans assembled a group of like-minded bishops to inspect and judge the books used in religious education. Admittedly, the texts needed some sort of supervision, but I am under the impression that a few excellent series were scrapped because their editors resisted the heavy-handed input of Hughes' team. It is rather like the damage done to American history textbooks when publishers strove to please the segregationists on the Texas school book committees. My knowledge of the catechetical publishing field is limited, but it seems that writers of articles and manuals earn points every time they quote the National Directory for Catechesis, a good document that cannot be seen as definitive.
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In other words, if parish hymnals need to be approved by a committee formed by the American bishops, the contents might become a narrow list. It would not surprise me if personal vengeance (getting even for slights of the 1970's) would lead to the disapproval of some hymns.
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Is the USCCB still relevant? I think so, but it is a mixture of relative successes, relative obstructionism.

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I grew up with these

I grew up with these "excellent series" you speak of. Just today I had a conversation with 2 other people from my age range (30) who both told me that they did not know that The Eucharist was the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus. I used to feel like I was the only one. The Catechetical texts have to be in conformity with the Catechism which is seen as definitve by the way so that we can guarantee that our future generations learn more in their first communion classes than the story of cain and abel and how to make a mobile.
As for the hymnal how could you not think it was a good idea. If you listen doctrinally to some modern songs, especially by David Hass you might wonder if he is a Catholic who believes in that the Bread becomes Jesus, or if Jesus becomes bread. I have heard a number of songs in that genre that are doctrinally incorrect. Isn't the Mass(liturgy) one of the greatest catechetical moments that we can experience.

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My mother and father were

My mother and father were responsible for my understanding of what went on at Mass and for the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist. It's a lesson I've never forgotten, and in spite of my left leanings never denied. Blaming malformation on music is really interesting to me.

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The United States Conference

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is an organization looking for its raison d'etre. However, if it didn't exist, we would need to invent it. It has an indispensable unifying function for the bishops and the Church in America. What has hurt it in these past three or four decades has been its hubris, its arrogance, acting as if the Conference and the American Church were God's gift to the universe. A little humility would help.

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To be relevant,(clear and

To be relevant,(clear and decisive) one needs to be consistent. The purpose of Catholic Theology is to confirm and explain the Truth. The sign of the Holy Spirit is consistent Truth. There is no conservative or liberal view of Truth. There is only Truth. The bishops' relevance,(this is my opinion)will be judged by the faithful based on how consistent they are when making their statements.

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To build on SJ's logic

To build on SJ's logic (which seems very sound to me), if the operative phrase to trace the current trajectory of the USCCB is Mr. Allen's phrase, "leaner, meaner," then it is not hard to understand why USCCB statements are fading to irrelevance for the American Catholics and the thinking public.

When we begin with false dichotomies and unreal polarities--liberal/conservative, aggiornamento/ressourcement, the embrace of modernity/evangelical Catholicism, seamless garment/pro-life--then we have no choice except to fade into obsolescence, when those false dichotomies no longer have explanatory power for the world in which we live.

They are good journalistic devices. But they limp badly, when it comes to exploring the force of what Catholicism at its best could bring to the public square, if its pastoral leaders (and chief funders) stopped trying to box its contributions into imaginary polar opposites that never can meet.

Case in point: no matter what the bishops say about our need to stand apart from the political arena and stop endorsing one political party, they have, in fact, for some years now, tended collectively to endorse one party and one set of candidates. They have done so by choosing one end of the pole and totally rejecting the other end, though that other end is well-grounded in Catholic tradition. Not to mention also the fact that the end of the pole they have chosen as an exclusive expression of Catholic values can't claim stand on its own and has no legitimacy apart from the end of the pole the bishops are altogether too quick to dismiss as lacking in fidelity to tradition....

It strikes me as too little, too late now to claim that we must rethink our alliance with one political party. The die has been cast. We have allowed that impression to prevail. We have so allowed ourselves to be used in the public square that theologically and politically significant organizations like Catholics for the Common Good are now being raked over the coals by right-wing talk-show gurus such as Ann Coulter for daring to suggest that Catholicism may have anything at all in common with a common-good political philosophy.

As this happens, where are the bishops? Where is their weight? To whom do the talk shows turn when they want to hear "the" Catholic position: Bill Donohue or Bill Richardson; Pat/Bay Buchanan or Garry Wills; Bill O'Reilly or Cokie Roberts; Richard John Neuhaus or Roger Haight? How have the bishops framed this conversation, and how does the public perceive the question of why truly articulates "the" Catholic position?

The blame for this situation does lie squarely at the feet of the bishops. They have not been conspicuously supportive of theological analysis that doesn't fit their model of imagined polar opposites, in which choosing life necessarily means giving more weight to fetal life than life after birth--and all too often, tacitly ignoring the latter.

This leads to the sorry spectacle of "pro-life" Catholic politicians voting against SCHIP, despite the endorsement of the USCCB and of national Catholic healthcare organizations of universal healthcare. And why should those "pro-life" Catholic political leaders not vote against SCHIP (and for the war in Iraq)? Who is there to tell them that they are lamentably misrepresenting Catholic tradition in all its fullness? Not the bishops as a body, I must sadly conclude.

God help us when the most significant thing our bishops could say to the faithful and the American public at their last meeting was that married couples practicing contraception should refrain from communion and gays should remain in the closet. God help us when there should ever even be questions raised about whether "Always our Children" is a more faithful expression of Catholic teaching than Ratzinger's Halloween letter which coined the term "intrinsic disorder."

God help us when the most pertinent way we can think of to try to deal with the imagined polarities we've set up is to add mustard to mayonnaise. We truly do have little of interest to offer the public square, after years of living at the north pole.

William D. Lindsey

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I am waiting for a clear and

I am waiting for a clear and unequivocal statment from the Bishops stating that the deliberate destruction of innocent BORN human life is as "nonnegotiable" as the deliberate destruction of innocent UNBORN human life. I am waiting for the Bishops to condemn the purveyors of unjust wars of choice, such as Iraq,and of "shock and awe"; I am waiting for them to condemn torture and to deny Communion for those Catholic members of Congress and of the Bush administration who have advocated torture under whatever euphemisms. I am waiting, but I am not holding my breath. It is clear to me that, despite the "seamless garment" rhetoric, the Catholic hierarchy considers unborn human life to be, in the words of Napoleon the pig in George Orwell's "Animal Farm", "more equal" than born human life.

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There is a difference

There is a difference between being necessary and being relevant. The Conference needs to exists. Just because the "average Catholic" doesn't know or care about the issues is not necessarily the fault of the bishops. The American people in general don't care, don't vote within the political arena as well as the Religious. People don't know who is running for president or the issues present. Nor do most care about congress, the senate and house or what they do. Does that mean it should cease to exist? (Don't answer that too quickly!!)

I do, however, share your sentiments about the relevance of the Conference and the organizational dynamics of the church, the hierarchy and magisterium. They do like to make lengthy presentations and decisions about periphal matters and skirt the larger ones. The Episcopalians are a little ahead of the game on that one with us. ROME matters. Power matters. Positions matter.

Yes, there does seem to be a need for restructure and vision and purpose. Let's try to be part of the solution and not add to the problem.

Better to light one candle than curse the darkness . . .

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A passage in the article

A passage in the article reads: "Bernardin embodied the era of the Second Vatican Council (1962-65), pushing the church to embrace what he saw as the best of secular modernity. George, on the other hand, reflects the more evangelical outlook associated with John Paul II and Benedict XVI, focused on reclaiming a strong sense of Catholic identity and concerned that the church not end up, in the famous phrase of Jacques Maritain, "kneeling before the world."

Evangelical Protestantism is undergirded by Enlightenment ideals and the notion of a "scientific" examination of the Scriptures and "proving" that things happened or did not. It has a rationalistic foundation, despite the uncritical approach of many of its proponents. To use the term "evangelical" to describe Benedict XVI is quite misleading. The word already has a firmly circumscribed content, especially in the US. Why wouldn't Benedict XVI be just as correctly described as an "orthodox Catholic" or a "traditional Catholic," both of which he is. Just because he wants to preach the Gospel does not make him "evangelical." His concerns for Catholic identity and not "kneeling before the world" put him at odds with the crop of pentecostals and evangelicals holding forth with their "prosperity Gospel" and self-help aids, which have nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Pentecostals and evangelicals DO kneel before the world; the Holy Father does not. I think the term "evangelical," in addition to being misleading, is also the result of a not-well-thought-out description of the Catholicism of Benedict XVI.

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Looking at the items on the

Looking at the items on the conference's agenda, I see that they are still avoiding discussing/answering one very important question: Is the USCCB still relevant?

How many Catholics are even aware that the US bishops are about to have a meeting? How many will follow the events of that meeting on television or the web? The members of the USCCB really need to sit down and honestly ask themselves if they're reaching anyone besides each other (if even that). Are musical directors in the parish really going to read "Sing to the Lord?" Are Catholic voters actually going to read "Faithful Citizenship?" Do many Catholics read ANY of the documents the bishop's conference publishes? How many Catholics know who the current conference president is or care that Cardinal George is succeeding him?

I know there are some bishops who worry about preaching to the choir. When it comes to these meetings, however, they should seriously question whether they even have a choir to preach to.

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