Vatican thinks theological dialogue with Islam is impossible, experts charge
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Washington, D.C.
More than a year after Pope Benedict XVI’s explosive comments on Islam at the University of Regensburg, the Vatican has not shown any new leadership in Muslim/Christian dialogue, and apparently has decided that theological exchange with Muslims is simply impossible, according to a leading Muslim scholar and a top Catholic expert in dialogue with Islam.
The charges came from Seyyed Hossein Nasr, a noted Iranian Muslim scholar at George Washington University, and John Esposito, director of the Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University. Both men spoke at a Washington press conference yesterday to present a letter from 138 Muslim clerics and scholars to Pope Benedict XVI and other Christian leaders.
Hossein charged that the Vatican has rebuffed attempts to engage Muslims in theological conversation, instead concentrating on the diplomatic level.
“Muslims thought of choosing a small team of 4-5 people, leading Islamic thinkers, to be able to have a dialogue on the deepest theological issues with the Vatican, including the pope himself,” in the wake of controversies over Regensburg, Hossein said. “At least, that’s the condition I put down. Nothing came of that, there was no response from the Vatican.”
Esposito said he too was aware of a high-level attempt to open a new channel of dialogue with the Vatican by Muslim leaders after Regensburg that was rebuffed.
“Most of the response that has come from the Vatican, after the Islamic protest and all of these things, has been diplomatic, not theological,” Hossein said. “The very first meeting in the Vatican [after Regensburg] was with Muslim ambassadors. These are people appointed as ambassadors, many of whom know nothing at all about Islamic issues. What is being evaded all the time are those underlying differences in belief that then cause the political and social differences to manifest themselves on the surface. We have to be honest enough to tackle that, and not to hide it in the closet.”
Esposito agreed, arguing that despite some helpful words and gestures from Benedict XVI during his trip to Turkey, there have been no new efforts at dialogue with Islam.
“Under John Paul, you had both a dialogue of life as well as a theological dialogue,” Esposito said. “The Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue under Archbishop [Michael] Fitzgerald and also his predecessor, Cardinal [Francis] Arinze, was alive. That hasn’t been seen.”
“When you look at Regensburg, what you see is a diplomatic response,” Esposito said. “For that, you could have the Secretary of State or the Minister of Foreign Affairs respond. You do not see a theological response. Some people are beginning to wonder, is the position of the Vatican going to be that one deals with the Muslim world in terms of diplomacy, but does not deal with Islam and with Muslims in terms of theological dialogue?”
“I think that you do have a strong school of thought in the Vatican which does not seem to believe that there can be a theological dialogue with Islam. It’s based on what I regard as an old theological position. In those days, the whole approach was that because Islam says that the Prophet is the final prophet and has the final revelation, therefore there can’t be any theological dialogue. It seems to me we’ve moved beyond that, at least we ought to move beyond that. But this is one of the questions that has arisen, and it has not been answered during this papacy.”
Esposito said that given the hurt caused by Benedict’s Regensburg address, “the ball is in the Vatican’s court” in terms of new efforts at dialogue.
“It would be terrific if the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, or the pope himself, were to bring together a group of these religious leaders to come to the Vatican for a meeting,” he said.
Esposito also proposed that Christian leaders use the message from 138 Muslim scholars to develop a companion statement of their own on Islam.
“Think about what it would say if you had a group of cardinals, patriarchs, the head of the Methodist church, the Evangelicals, coming together and themselves issuing a statement with regard to Islam,” Esposito said. “Think about the way in which people in the Muslim world would look at that statement, and the impact it would have. It’s a challenge now to Christians in terms of how they respond.”
Hossein, a longtime expert in Christian/Muslim relations, argued that things have actually deteriorated in recent years.
“Forty years ago, I led a Muslim delegation of scholars to the Vatican. At that time, Paul VI was the pope. It was five-day, very intense theological discussion involving Cardinal [Sergio] Pignedoli and a number of leading Vatican experts on Islam. Yet four decades later, we have the Regensburg address. What that means is that somehow we still have to get the heart of the religion engaged. It’s very disappointing.”
Hossein rejected the suggestion that the rise of Islamic extremism would make theological exchange impossible.
“Extremists are not more numerous in the Islamic world than in Christianity, by any means,” he said. “Even the most extreme form of Islam has never attacked Christianity as a religion, but Christians. Here, we get attacks against Islam, not only Muslims. It is on both sides.”
“The idea that Islam is violent and that Christianity is non-violent is, of course, theologically and historically an absurdity,” he said. “There are also in the Islamic world many people who identify the very violent ways in which that part of the world which is called ‘Christian’ has acted towards Islam, from the Crusades to the Colonial period to the present day and so forth, and put it in terms of Christianity.”
Hossein said that he would shortly be going to Rome for a meeting with Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, President of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue.
Christianity is the best
Christianity is the best chance for peace. Christianity needs to speak peace in the morning,at noon and at night. Words of encouragement are words of peace. Why weren't they spoken? Do I hear echoes of Axis of evil? Perhaps Geo W could be hired as Secretary of State to the Vatican.
It is a shame, really. Some
It is a shame, really. Some are mad at the Pope for just hinting at the awful truth. I certainly can understand why people are called to be so, "RELIGIOUSLY CORRECT". After all, many innocent groups were persecuted unjustly, and it is only natural that we all feel so sorry about it! But that does not mean that there does not exist a mainstream religion and pseudo national identity, which are either psychotic, or evil, and, in any case, unfixable! Look! The Koran and all those densely populated main-stream religions that operate solely by claiming that every word in the Koran is from God and so is perfect and can not be changed no matter what, even though said book commands the murder of totally innocent persons (anyone can see this, it is in the book! Take a look!)- are intrinsically and unchangeably psychotic or evil or both - totally unfixable! So, why doesn't someone somewhere besides me, write this truth so many people can read it, or at least post it so that this life saving truth has a chance of getting out of it's prison named, "Religious correctness!" The whole world has already tried to make peace with another Political/religious system called National Socialism, and it was only half as stupid and mean as Islam. Our life, and that of our families depend on it - everyone is silent, but no one dare disagree with me publicly - the truth is the truth and you know it!
The idea that Muslims are
The idea that Muslims are called to eradicate Christians is not found in the Koran. This would only be the case if Christians were considered infidels or pagans, which they are not. It is widely recognized in Islam that Christians follow the same God as Islam does.
It is encouraging that Sunni
It is encouraging that Sunni and Shi'a and different schools of thought within Sunni and Shi'a Islam are engaged in dialogue.(according to Oct.11,Washington press conference) This will,hopefully,lead to an understanding of just what Islam is for those who are not Muslim as well. Only when one knows exactly what Islam is,can you begin to have a dialogue.It is important to note,however,that being called 'Christian'does not mean that one is Christian.To be Christian one must believe in Christ.(Truth)
Proclaimers vs. Doers:
Proclaimers vs. Doers: Perhaps DOING compassion in Christ's way is the defining attribute of a Christian:
"Matthew, Chapter 7:21 ‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord”, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22On that day many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?” 23Then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.” "
The Rev. Dr. E. McCoy
"Has not one God created us? Why then are we faithless to one another, profaning the covenant of our ancestors?" (Malachi 2:10)
To believe is to have
To believe is to have confidence (Trust) or Faith in the Truth.Jesus revealed this to us when He said,"I am the Truth, the Light(Life) and the Way, come follow Me." He showed us what it means to Love one another through His Life and His Death on the Cross.To follow Him,we need to know who He is.
I don't find John Esposito's
I don't find John Esposito's critical observations of the Vatican's post-Regensburg efforts particularly helpful. Granted, the letter by the Muslim scholars is a significant step. But it's also the first step in which anything approaching a consensual Muslim effort at dialogue has been expressed.
Previous Catholic efforts at dialogue have foundered against the lack of any comprehensively authoritative Islamic dialogue partner. If Rome were to take seriously and devote resources to engaging in substantive theological disucussions with every self-appointed group of representatives of this or that religious community that knocked at the Vatican door, it would end up doing nothing else.
Instead of slagging the Church's past failure to engage theologically (with whom?) after Regensburg, it might have been more appropriate and productive to recognize the genuine and real difficulties the Church faced in this matter, and to offer up the scholars' letter as an opportunity to get past these difficulties.
It seems Esposito can't escape the tiresome discourse of Rome = bad/blinkered/asleep-at-the-switch vs. everyone else = good/enlightened/forward-looking discourse that one so commonly finds in the US Church.
This is really well put.
This is really well put. Islam doesn't even have the equivalent of a Lutheran World Federation for either the Shia or the Sunnis. Some reticence on the part of the Vatican is only sensible: who am I talking with, how representative is this delegation, and what is the significance of any discussion which might occur.
And another thing about the response to the Regensberg quote: it was a cordial defensive apologetic for Islam. It wasn't a call for dialogue as such. The new letter is explicitly framed as a dialogue opener. The fact it's being published in Arabic is heartening, too. It merits a response, but not a hasty one (hence Esposito's misplaced praise of the speedy answer of the Anglicans).
Here's the website for both letters, BTW: http://www.acommonword.com/
Pope Benedict XVI not
Pope Benedict XVI not engaging in theological discussion with Islamic representatives is likely due to the fact that the most significant theological point of difference cannot be resolved. Previous discussions on theological points would have been informational exchanges so that the parties would understand one another's teachings. The other points, of how people are to get along with one another, are points that could be discussed in any forum. They are not particularly theological. Even atheists conclude that since there is nothing except what we perceive, we should treat one another well for our mutual benefit. The Regensburg "faux pas" is looking more than it did at the time like God using Benedict XVI to motivate the peaceable elements of Islam.







I hope all of you are aware
I hope all of you are aware that if the Pope were to tell the whole truth about how violent the Koran really is, and how it requires it's believers to murder even it's own members who might try to convert to any other religion, thousands of Catholics would be slaughtered. He does not dare say more than he has - but I hope all of you will go and read the Koran so as to find out the truth without the death of so many Catholics families.